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Misogyny, $800 first dates, simps, and high-value women: Social media has been busy cooking up and feeding us an addictive but toxic slurry of trends over the past few years. Here at The Toxic Cooking Show we're two friends dedicated to breaking down these trends, terms, and taunts into their simplest ingredients to understand where they came from and how they affect our lives. Join us each week as we ponder and discuss charged topics like personal responsibility and "not all men" before placing them on our magical Scale O' ToxicityAny comments or topics you want to hear about write to us at toxic@awesomelifeskills.com
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Doxing, Consequence, And The Line
Ever notice how a viral post can jump from your screen to your doorstep? We take you inside a series of jaw-dropping cases to map the blurry boundary between calling someone out and putting them in danger. From the Sniper Wolf vs Jack Films feud that moved from YouTube to a front porch, to a therapist’s flippant “trauma dump” TikTok that shattered trust, to a guy livestreaming smug politics in a company shirt and then blaming “the internet” for his firing—this episode pulls apart what counts as doxing, what counts as accountability, and why intent matters less than foreseeable harm.
As clinicians and creators, we unpack why geolocation breadcrumbs are scarier than you think, how parasocial fandoms escalate conflict, and what responsible exposure looks like when someone’s conduct is truly harmful. We also tackle the “fuck around and win” economy—where racist or fascist statements turn into lucrative crowdfunding—and offer clear tactics to avoid accidentally boosting bad actors. You’ll hear practical guidance: how to keep your home private, when to use HR, licensing boards, or law enforcement instead of your feed, and how to speak up without handing a mob a target.
The goal isn’t silence; it’s smarter guardrails. We argue for firm accountability that names behavior and cites sources, without publishing addresses or phone numbers that enable harassment. If you’ve ever wondered where your line is between necessary exposure and reckless doxing, this conversation gives you a workable test and a toolkit you can use today.
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Hi, and welcome to the Toxic Cooking Show, where we break down toxic people to their simplest ingredients. I'm your host, Christopher Patchett, LCSW.
SPEAKER_02:And I'm Lindsay McLean.
SPEAKER_01:Miss Lindsay. Today you texted me and you told me that you were gonna be a little late to the recording, and now I'm pissed. I am furious. And I am now gonna tell the entire podcast world to get on your shit.
SPEAKER_04:What?
SPEAKER_01:I am gonna give out all of your social media, your phone number, and where you live.
SPEAKER_02:Don't you dox me? Don't you fucking do it? Don't you fucking do it? I'll dox you right back. I know how this works.
SPEAKER_01:So today's episode is about doxing.
SPEAKER_02:Ooh. Yeah, that's pretty toxic.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. If you don't know what doxing is, doxing is basically when it could be either a disagreement or somebody doesn't like your views, or somebody doesn't it is just hates you in in one form or another.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And gives out the person's address, their where they work, or their their real names, or or whoever, like gives it out to Yeah, it's any publicly identifiable information about the person, I think.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So you could you know be watching a video and be like, that's Christopher Patchett. And that would technically be considered doxing. Or it's I'm mad at my professor, so I Googled them and here's their phone number.
SPEAKER_01:Yep. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.
SPEAKER_02:Woo!
SPEAKER_01:So I I kind of want to start off. I'm gonna I'm gonna go down a couple stories here. And one you might actually know. Well, I I know that you know probably a couple of these at least.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:But I'm curious if you know SS Sniper Wolf.
SPEAKER_02:No, that doesn't sound familiar.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, how the fuck do I know this and you don't? Like this is coming from the same person who gave me shit for not knowing uh uh PewDiePie.
SPEAKER_02:I you know what the best part was I was just thinking of that example.
SPEAKER_01:Oh fucking fuck fuck. SS Sniper Wolf, capital S Capital S Sniper Wolf. It is sexy sexy sniper wolf. Oh okay her real name is Ala She Lish and she does she started off back in like 2012. She was doing basically like Call of Duty and things like that, so she was like an online gamer, and she would uh go on YouTube, and then when Twitch became popular, she started gaming on that, and slowly she went from an online gamer to doing online content, online content with YouTube, and then it was basically like reaction videos.
SPEAKER_02:I yes, uh which um funnily enough, we will be talking about next week. Oh boy, yeah, you started down this, and I was like, damn, okay. This now I don't have to talk about some of this stuff in mind.
SPEAKER_01:So so she got she got called out by this guy, he does Jack Films, and his name is Jack Douglas, so he would just he started doing like calling Sniper Wolf out on like different things that she was stealing content from other people. So I mean she would even go as far as even the thumbnail clip and the person beforehand would have like a certain thumbnail clip, and she would copy it like exact.
SPEAKER_02:Oh wow, so like not even trying to hide or being able like I just use this for inspiration.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, exactly. Like it was I it was it was exact, and and the thing was is that she got caught out for it, and then she would try to go off about how oh no no no no, this person copied me, and it went back and forth between Jack and Sniper Wolf. And so Jack actually did a separate channel just really targeting Sniper Wolf, where it was JJ Jack Films.
SPEAKER_02:Nice.
SPEAKER_01:He would just he would start doing full videos of showing the the different thumbnails, the different content that she was doing, even like going into like the reaction videos, and it was basically it was reaction videos where it wasn't even reaction videos, it would just be like 30-second TikTok video, and her just being like, Oh damn, wow.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, it's like the lowest of low quality reaction videos where they're not even adding anything useful to the debate. Heavy quotation marks here.
SPEAKER_01:So he started calling her out and really just kind of like pressing into her, and so she she kept on fighting about like how that her reaction videos had something to it, which if you really do watch her videos, it is just yeah.
SPEAKER_02:He actually watch them after this.
SPEAKER_01:He actually did a bingo card uh of her reaction videos where it would be like something along the lines of her yelling about this and her saying, oh wow, and her saying don't do that, and he actually was able to fill out the uh the form.
SPEAKER_02:That's never a good thing.
SPEAKER_01:So yeah, she she got pissed off because a lot of people were getting on her ass about it, and so what better way to get her or get Jack Films back than going to his house? SS Sniper Wolf, she had 34 million followers on YouTube. Okay, and so I I don't know exactly how many on Instagram, but considering the fact that 34 million on YouTube, I would imagine that there was in the millions.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, she clearly has a pretty solid following or did at the time, right?
SPEAKER_01:She she went to his house, she filmed his house, and she's she's live streaming it, and she's going out to his door, she's knocking on his door and saying, I want to talk to you, you better come out and talk to me, blah blah blah, and she's banging on his door and everything like that.
SPEAKER_02:Very adult.
SPEAKER_01:So he ended up calling the police, and I don't know if she got arrested or or if she was just told to go home, but either which way, his house was on video. She she was filming leading out to his house, and and we've talked about this before, where the the one guy who's able to find where you are, you know, with people's permissions.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And so like he'll do something where somebody will send him a 15-second clip and say, like, hey, guess where I am, and just kind of like go back and forth and show like their their their surrounding.
SPEAKER_02:Well, they're pretty amazing because sometimes they even are just like in a random parking lot and they're you know moving the phone around. They're like, Yeah, you know, I hope that guy can figure out where I am because I don't know where I am. And he he does. He's like, Yep, you're right here. I can tell based on like the this thing, the that thing, the this sign, the angle of the sun. It's pretty fantastic to watch him work.
SPEAKER_01:It is, it's it's actually it's it's fascinating, but at the same time, it's also creepy as hell.
SPEAKER_02:It is. I respect that he does it with permission, but the problem is is that then it puts this idea out there for other people to see, and they're like, Oh, I could do that without permission. Hey.
SPEAKER_01:That himself and his wife are now worried about people coming over because of this girl who is filming his house, and there are people out there that they're able to find out their information and and literally just be like, okay, you know what? Fuck it. You know, like I I'm worshiping the sniper wolf, and I I I I got her back, and and I'm gonna go there and do whatever.
SPEAKER_02:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, now this information is like way easily available for them because she was filming. I mean, she had to do some work to find it, but I think at this point, you as a crazed follower could be mildly creepy and figure it out, and then be super creepy and actually use that information.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's I mean, for her, it probably wasn't all that hard because I I'm sure that you know the YouTube community has their their own circle. Mm-hmm. And just finding out from friends of a friend or whatever, and so she was able to probably find out like fairly easily, but now she's posting on or she was posted on her Instagram the the whole video of her going up and banging on this guy's door.
unknown:Wow.
SPEAKER_01:And the way that he actually found out about it was that before she actually knocked on his door, he was streaming on YouTube, and all of a sudden, like people were like writing in saying, like, yo, dude, like Sniper Wolf is coming after you, like she's posting, like can you imagine that?
SPEAKER_02:Like, you're in the middle of your job, and then people are pinging you, like, somebody's coming to your house.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that that that's fucking crazy.
SPEAKER_02:Like, I mean, I'm glad people let him know, but God, that's creepy.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. He's like, Oh shit, like, you know, like should I stop or or what's going on? Like, how bad is it? And people are like, Yeah, you know, she's she's saying that she's gonna like bang on your door and all this. So he literally had to stop his dreaming and try to figure out what the hell's going on.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And when she's getting up to his door, like knocking on the door, obviously he's not gonna go outside and be like, Oh, yes, let's have a reasonable conversation here.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because everyone's clearly in a reasonable mood and doing reasonable adult activities right now.
SPEAKER_01:So, yeah, I mean, he he's posted up online that he didn't feel safe, that his his his wife didn't feel safe there anymore. So I don't know if he moved or if he's still living there, and because this happened back in 2023.
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:So I don't know if he moved or or what happened, but but yeah, I mean, he was he said a couple times that he just didn't feel safe at home anymore.
SPEAKER_02:Uh rightly so, yeah. God.
SPEAKER_01:It doesn't just have to be like you know, like doxing, just as we were kind of saying, it doesn't just have to be like giving out addresses or anything like that. I I think in that case, with with Jack Douglas, uh, yes, that was definitely going way too far. But some of these other ones are a little bit more questionable of how far is too far. And we'll kind of go into that like when when we come into like where do we go from here?
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:But I'm sure I I know for a fact you've definitely heard this because I'm sure I've talked about this with you before. So, a therapist by the name Eileen Glantz, she had a business called Psyquest Therapy.
SPEAKER_02:This does sound familiar, yes.
SPEAKER_01:And and so she did this uh TikTok video, and it was the soundtrack of you know, Holy Spirit, you know, pray for me, Holy Spirit, pray for me. And and the caption was when a client trauma dumps on the first session.
SPEAKER_02:Ah, joyful. Yes, this this does sound familiar with us talking about like maybe not the type of thing we should be putting online.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean, that's well, so first off, I mean, not not just only not the thing that you should be putting up online, but not the thing that if you're a therapist that you should even be thinking.
SPEAKER_02:No, and you can be you can be a little frustrated and a little bit exasperated that you're like, okay, that was our first session, and I got all this information. But if your reaction is this strong, then maybe this is not the profession for you. Because I would imagine that that's not a bizarre or uncommon occurrence that you have people who come and on their first session, they're just like with all of this stuff. It's like, oh my god, slow down. Please one thing at a time, that's so I can help you.
SPEAKER_01:You gotta figure that a lot of so one of the biggest things with therapy is is the fact that a lot of people just they're not being hurt. And now they're coming to a person where they feel safe, that they feel like, okay, you know what, I've been bottling this shit up for like years. And and especially like I I work as a trauma therapist, so I mean, you know, you're you're talking about like especially when I was working with veterans, you're talking about people who've been holding up trauma for 10, 15, 20 years.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And finally coming to a place where they're like, okay, thank God I can finally like let it all out. And you know, they they've they've never gone through therapy before. You know, they they they don't know what you know. A lot of times I I can't tell you how many times where I've met somebody for the first time and they'll say something along the lines of, hey, this is the first time of doing therapy, like I don't even know where to begin.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So, you know, some people like don't they'll just kind of be like, I don't even know where to begin. Some people they'll come in and they'll just be like, Okay, here's the past 20 years of my life, uh, and I just need to get the fuck out. And you know, as far as like uh me being a therapist, like yes, I I I'm supposed to ask about your background, I'm supposed to ask about like your parents, I'm supposed to act about ask about you growing up. Do you do drugs? Do you do you know, like, etc., etc.? But you know, there are times where the the sessions can go off course. And you know, I'm not gonna sit there, especially if somebody does have that 20 years pinned up trauma, to be like, yeah, look, that's great and everything, but let's get back to your parents, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Not not helpful, right? You let it go, you see where it goes, and then you know, maybe next session we kind of uh work off of that, or maybe slip in some more other questions. It's fine.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I I mean there were times where I might have to extend the first session to like three or four. And just just because again, I I want the person to be able to have that place to come to that they're able to let things off their chest, and uh at the same time, like these are things that yes, we're gonna go over at some point, but you know, again, if you've been holding it in for 15, 20 years or more, then you know, it's it's it's it's a bomb that's going off. And good. You know, I'd rather you I'd rather that bomb to be going off in front of me than coming out in anger on the streets.
SPEAKER_02:No, and exactly, and at least this way it may give you some ideas about things to be like, okay, we're just gonna let you keep going for now, but making a big star next to this point that like we need to come back to this at some point, type thing, and giving them that safe space to be like, okay, I can just talk through my feelings and talk through this, and there's no one interrupting me with questions or trying to snare me someplace I can just work through it mentally and get it off my chest.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it it's and and so tick tock people are using it. Two things I I kind of think of is this person thrown out there about you know, like when a when a client trauma dumps on the first session, one what if that's one of her or what if her client who did that actually saw that?
SPEAKER_02:Oh my god.
SPEAKER_01:And then two, like therapy is is still like a very, very semi-taboo thing. So it's not nearly what it was before, but it is still nowhere near what it where it should be. You know, I mean, we we've talked about this before of like how back in the 90s, if somebody went into therapy, it was like, oh shit, what the fuck do they do?
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Versus where nowadays people are just kind of like, oh yeah, you know, I talked to my therapist about blah blah blah. But it is still on that verge of becoming more normalized. So you have half the people who are very open and like, yeah, you know, I'm going to therapy, blah, blah, blah. And there's some people who are like, man, I don't want to be seen as being fucked up. I'm gonna keep that to myself. And then they see this and they're like, ooh, maybe like I'm being judged at my session.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I think you have to know that depending on your profession, like there are some professions where you could absolutely make fun of your client like that. And I don't think it would be a big problem where you know, if you're doing design, you're you know, creative designer, you design logos, and you make one like, you know, when you meet the client for the first time and like they have too many ideas and you're making fun of them for that. That, you know, we can all look at that and be like, ah, that's fine. This is funny, ha ha ha. But you have to understand when you're working with something serious like this, that this is a population that does need to be protected a little bit, and there are a few more, you know, rules about what we do and don't talk about online. I would be mortified if I found out that my therapist had done this. Even if it wasn't about me. Even if I just, you know, looked up this therapist and I was like, you know, I know that I'm seeing them and I know I didn't trauma dump, but I saw this video, I would be mortified. It's like, what else are you making videos about?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. It's yeah, it it's it's you're you're you're pushing away a large population, not just your own clients, but anybody who's seen this.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. And for what, a few laughs? It's not that funny. Like in this sense, again, the person designing logos, we can laugh at that, but this this version is not laughing. Nobody's laughing at that, or should be.
SPEAKER_01:Right. So, you know, and and actually, myself included on this one, there was a bunch of therapists that were like, hey, look, you know, like this is a safe place that you know we're not here judging you. So a lot of us we had to go out there and and basically damage control, yeah, putting out the fire that this person created. And so a lot of people called her out. That her business, because it was an LLC side quest therapy, and so she got she got called out. She had to take or she deleted her TikTok account. Apparently, her her business she had to leave that. Now, I did when I was doing research, I still saw her that she is still doing therapy, but she doesn't have like a TikTok account or anything like that. So hopefully she learned to shut the fuck up. And actually, maybe this might have been something to have corrected her.
SPEAKER_02:I'd like to hope so that this was a learning opportunity, as opposed to now she's running around bitter and is like, ah, I got canceled on the internet because people don't, you know, nobody can take a laugh these days.
SPEAKER_01:Right, right. And and I I I I hope so as well. Which actually, I I love that that you you said that because you're the next person that I want to talk about. Uh oh. This is another TikTok video. And right now in the United States, yeah, people are very, very, very divided of where we are politically. And one of the things that that has been kind of a hot topic here lately is immigration, ice, and everything like that. There is a TikToker. I was trying to find this guy's name. I know I saw you know originally, and this was one of the things that that made me want to look into doxing. But I could I couldn't find it again. He does have another TikTok. We'll go into that in a second, but his TikTok TikTok name was Try Again Liberals.
SPEAKER_02:Wow.
SPEAKER_01:And so what he did is he posted that he was in a Mexican restaurant, and he said, Guess what? And like all whispering, guess what? I'm in a Mexican restaurant, salsa and chips. All right, liberals freaked out. So he he's basically because all of his all of his content is of how ICE is doing a great job and how he wants to see more people deport it.
SPEAKER_02:And ah, okay, and here he is, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So he's kind of doing the whole like ha ha ha, look at me, I'm in a Mexican restaurant. Uh, even though I want to see everybody in this restaurant deport it, is stupid. You know, you you you're you're being a fucking dumbass, and and and dumbasses again do dumbass things. One of the beautiful things was is that apparently he went into this restaurant, probably right around the time that he got off work or something, because he was wearing the company shirt. And even better to find out that the company is owned by his brother. And when people saw this, they started calling up the company, they started showing you know the company owner of like this video, start doxing the the company, like you know, like one star, blah blah blah, this, that, and the other. So you were saying a little bit earlier, like hopefully, with the the therapist that hopefully this was like a lesson learned that we were kind of saying about hopefully this is one of those things where she goes around and says about how like maybe I probably shouldn't say things like that, and is now being decent therapist at the very least. So this guy that I was just saying about, where he had posted on he was at a Mexican restaurant, even though he wants to see half the or you know, half the staff report it. This so he lost his job, and here is his response.
SPEAKER_00:You know, I can't believe this fucking happened. You fucking people messaging my freaking employer, calling him Well, you finally did it. You got me fired. Don't you feel good about yourself? No, me and my pregnant wife. I don't know what we're gonna do. We lost our medical We lost everything because you disagree with me. Fuck you.
SPEAKER_02:I'm gonna disagree with him on that one and be like you did this to yourself.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you know, uh so this is the thing that that that really makes me laugh is that you know, you did this to me because you disagreed with me.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, I understand that yes, this probably does count as doxing because you found this information that is publicly available. But I also think that if you're going to fuck around, don't be surprised when you find out. And if you have made a name for yourself making really hateful videos on anything, and you have a recognizable face and you go out in public wearing your company's branded clothing, it's the same way that, like, you know, Nike or whoever will pull a sponsorship from somebody who's acting crazy because they're like, yo, we don't want to be associated with that. Because all everyone else sees is hey, there's somebody in a McDonald's uniform acting the fuck up. What's going on here? And people will focus, people will notice a McDonald's uniform, and McDonald's doesn't want to be connected with that, and so they're gonna say no, bye. That's the that's the same thing as Nike, and that's the same thing that's happened here, is that you are giving your employer potential bad publicity because you've made hateful videos. So, yeah, there there are consequences to to doing that.
SPEAKER_01:And the thing is, is that okay, let's just say that in his puny little mind that this is not a thing of hate, that this is you know the the American, you know, blah blah blah bullshit. Yeah, okay, fine, you're allowed to have that opinion. And the thing is, okay, I don't like cats.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Now I can go off and make videos about how dogs are better than cats, that I'm not a cat fan, that dog everybody should have dogs, and cats shouldn't be in anybody's home. But you know, there is a line there, you know, like if if I was supporting, you know, uh kill shelters.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Or yeah, you know, like uh things like that, or or kind of going off about how doing doing harmful things to cats.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, laughing at videos of dogs attacking cats or things like that, and posting that publicly for people to see with your face attached to it. You're allowed to have those beliefs, and I'm allowed to not support you. And as your employer, I'm allowed to say that's not something I want people to associate my company with.
SPEAKER_01:Right. And and the thing is, is like, you know, as long as I keep it within a certain boundary, like again, posting videos about dogs and how much I love dogs, and saying that this is why dogs are better than cats. I'm not gonna lose my business. I'm not going to get fired.
SPEAKER_02:No, because if you were reasonable, even if somebody was like, you manster, and tried to report you to your company, A, self-employed, but you want to speak to the manager, they're right here. But you know, if you were working for somebody, that's the type of thing that you could very easily be like, oh no, I can show you my videos that I make. I can show you right here this type of thing because you know that there is nothing wrong that you have said. And I would imagine that what happened here was yes, that video was not offensive, but clearly people went and reported it, and clearly it came up that there were other videos that were potentially really, really offensive. And so, yeah, I'm sure his employer was like, you know, I don't think this is working.
SPEAKER_01:Right. So, so it's not nobody got him fired except for himself.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:He could have gone off about how much he supports Trump and ICE and everything like that, and it would have been fine. But the fact that he wanted to go that extra step and really just kind of rub it into people's faces.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Like it's also, and you never know, and we're we'll we'll talk about this next week. Instead of at some point in the future, haha, I have a date for it. For once.
SPEAKER_01:I was gonna say, I I love the fact that it's actually like next week instead of we're one of these days we have to.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know, you never know who is actually seeing that. It could have literally been his employer who stumbled across it. No, I don't think so in this case, but you don't know. It might not even be that somebody reports you, it might be that your employer realizes you are doing something that is against company policy, that is harmful to the company's image, is just plain stupid while again wearing company clothing or repping the company brand in one way or another. It could be them, just on their own, who's like, wait a second.
SPEAKER_01:So final thing I kind of want to go on is fuck around and get rewarded.
SPEAKER_02:Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_01:I know I know for a fact that you've heard this one, Kyle Vertonhouse.
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, just to just to kind of give a brief story for people who don't remember or name doesn't sound familiar or whatever. Basically, during the whole 2020, Black Life Matters, protest, and things like that. Some of them did get violent, yes. So, what this kid did, he was 17 at the time and went into a city, I think drove for or had his mom drive him for three hours to the city with an assault rifle and basically put himself into a predicament where he knew he was going to get attacked and shot somebody. Uh so okay. Whether or not you agree or disagree with the Second Amendment, stand your ground, and everything like that, it was still stupid. It was dumb as fuck.
SPEAKER_02:It was because he intentionally put himself in that situation, and there's obviously a huge difference between I have ended up in this situation that I did not want to be in, and I did everything to avoid, and I see no other option, and so I shoot you. And somebody who specifically seeks out that space to create that problem, and then be like, Oh no, guess I have to shoot you.
SPEAKER_01:So he put him in put himself in that position and ended up killing somebody and when all or the this mean headline news, and he set up a give send go, which is basically a go fund me. That that's very Christian-based.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, because he has definitely lived a very Christian life by doing this.
SPEAKER_01:Right, right. And and you know, I this this is not the podcast for this, but Christian nationalists is a thing.
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:So the people who are going to go to a give send go are going to definitely be slightly to the right.
SPEAKER_02:Just a little.
SPEAKER_01:Just a little. And so he raised five hundred and eighty-four thousand dollars for uh lawyer fees and everything like that. Going even better. Like, okay, so let's say with with Kyle, we are able to say that okay, he was just practicing his second amendment.
SPEAKER_03:Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_01:That okay, you know what? Fine. If you want to think that way, fine, whatever. So looking at Shiloh Hendricks, this happened back in June of this year. She was she was recorded by this kid's father, who apparently what had happened was this little five-year-old went into her diaper bag and and took something of her kids. Okay. Kid is five years old.
SPEAKER_02:Doesn't know what she doesn't understand the concept of stealing necessarily yet.
SPEAKER_01:So she turned around, she called him the the N-word.
SPEAKER_02:Oh.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. So this kid's father picked up his phone and followed her and said, you know, like, why the fuck would you say something like that? You know, like, uh, and she's like, oh, you know, he he went in my bag and blah blah blah. He's like, does that does that constitute for saying that word? And she's like, well, if he's gonna act like a I'm gonna call him, hmm.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:There's so much wrong with that statement.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, and and she so she doubled down on film. So this is not he said, she said. This is literally straight in the recording, okay. This video went viral, and all of a sudden now she's I'm so scared. I I don't, you know, like uh being threatened and things like that. I I can't go home and blah blah blah blah blah. Goes on to give send go and raises eight hundred thousand dollars.
SPEAKER_02:What the fuck? I want eight hundred thousand dollars for being a dick. What I've picked the wrong profession. Wait.
SPEAKER_01:So, okay, you know what? She's just practicing her first amendment.
SPEAKER_04:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01:Final case I want to kind of bring up. Uh so I I told you like a little while ago to check out this show, it is on YouTube. It was Jubilee's 20 versus one. And I I said that you know this was really, really scary, and I'm sure knowing you, definitely checked it out.
SPEAKER_02:I have seen clips from it. Maybe not that specific one, but I do know the concept. Did I click the link you sent me? No. But I still love you.
SPEAKER_01:Because I know you so well that that you are definitely the type of person that, oh shit, somebody says I have to check something out. I'm gonna do it right away.
SPEAKER_02:Always.
SPEAKER_01:Let's see. Basically, what it was in this episode that came out on July 20th had this guy who is a reporter, and it was one pre or one progressive versus 20 far right wings. Just so you get like a little bit of a background of what it is, and and so basically the the one person he's sitting in the center of the the room, and then he's surrounded by 20 people of opposing opinions. And basically, he'll make a statement. The statement in this case is that Donald Trump is uh defying the constitution, and whoever runs up and touches the chair first, that that's the person that's again debate.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I don't care.
SPEAKER_05:I frankly don't care being called a Nazi. I didn't say that. I didn't actually say that. I said, are you a fan of the Nazis? Well, they persecuted the church a little bit. I'm not a fan of that, but what about the persecution of the Jews? Well, I mean, I I certainly don't support anyone's human dignity being assaulted. I'm a Catholic. But you don't condemn Nazi persecution of the Jews. I I think that there was a little bit of persecution. Hey, what can I say? I think you can say I'm a fascist.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I am. So I I I played the full thing for you. And and I I'm definitely gonna be cutting that down to a smaller clip. But you you heard what he said. You know, this is Connor Estelle saying that he's proud to be a fascist and he laughs about it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And and big surprise, he went, he himself went to this. He himself said all this bullshit. Nobody doxed him. It was it's a very popular YouTube thing, and he he let he gave said it out in public his name.
SPEAKER_02:Now, if somebody were to go and look him up and publish on the end, be like, hey guys, look, here's his address. That is doxing, but he has freely given his name, and if I choose to look him up and contact his employer, I I I don't think that qualifies as doxing.
SPEAKER_01:Well, so his employer saw that.
SPEAKER_02:Also another big shocker.
SPEAKER_01:He goes on to give some go. And he was originally saying that I'd lost my job because of my beliefs and asking for 15,000, and he within a couple days he was already at 34,000.
SPEAKER_02:You know, I I do want to take a little bit of it's not pleasure, is the wrong word, but comfort in the fact that it's not like these people were going to give that money to a good cause. Like this did not come out of their gee, should I donate this to Goodwill or you know, the local food pantry or something like that. I will take that tiny bit of comfort in the sheer amount of money these people are able to raise.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's but you know, it's it's it's scary to think that people are that happy of of what he said to send them money. So, with all of that being said, doxing, people losing their jobs over things, people who are you know getting called out, and then also people who are fucking around and and winning.
SPEAKER_02:So I will say for some of these people, the the fuck around and win, my hope is that the win is temporary. I mean, obviously, you know, 34k, that that does make a big difference. That does help out a lot. My hope is that he's unable to turn that into other stuff. And that this this is not a long-term solution for him to mooch off of others. For doxing, I think we need to be smart about like I think there is a time and place actually for when you should publish people's information online, like if you identify somebody. Is that time because you're mad at them? No. Is it to you know, send your followers to harass them? No. Does it sometimes serve a purpose to identify people who are misbehaving and have them face at least some type of consequence for their misbehavior? Yeah. I mean, I would also like to point out, too, that for these final ones that you mentioned, it's it's on the edge of doxing. Because again, doxing is supposed to be you publish personal like information that can be used to identify a person online. If you don't publish it, I don't think that that doesn't qualify as doxing. So these people who try, like, oh, I got doxed, like the people hate me. Yeah, maybe they do hate you, probably for a good reason. But you went out and be public, we went out in public and misbehaved. So yeah, people figured out who you are. Public shaming serves a purpose, and I think we need to, as a society, get better about identifying when is a good time to publicly shame, kind of like in instances where you see somebody, you know, mocking somebody or straight up saying, like, yeah, I'm a fascist, I am all for it. Like dictatorship, autocracy, here we come, baby, woo-hoo. Yeah, you shouldn't be allowed to run around like that. But doxing people, like in the first scenario that you gave, yeah, where it's like, this is personal beef that we have with each other, that I I view as a huge, huge no no. Because again, that is actually doxing. And you have exposed somebody who didn't actually do anything bad. You can disagree with him calling you out for copying people, you're allowed to do that. But to show up at his house uninvited, and he's unaware that you have his information, he or she doesn't matter, and you show up there, especially live streaming it to all of your followers. Hell no.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I I I agree. I think that I think that doxing as far as like how far somebody goes, I don't think that anybody should be threatened. I don't think that anybody should be, you know, in fear of their actual lives. But again, you know, there there is that line of okay, you know, the the the the therapist who trauma dumping, like if nothing were to happen and she keeps on spewing this type of shit, again, you're you're destroying a whole industry.
SPEAKER_02:And you could theoretically say, Hey, I think that was me. Now, would you be able to prove it in a court of law, like in that case? It would be pretty hard because she could say, Oh no, I just happened to make that video then. But it would look very, very suspicious if you that morning had had your first session with her, and you know, you're aware that you kind of got there and you were just like, Oh god, I've been holding this in here, here it all is, and then that afternoon you see that she's posted that video, you could kind of make a connection and be like, I think you're talking about me, and I think that's not okay.
SPEAKER_01:And you know, like as far as like the the the last three, like I I think that you know, and I I think that this is one of the things for for all this, is that you know, the the whole fuck around and find out you are allowed to say whatever the fuck you want to, you are allowed to you know be I'm allowed to not have you in my company. There's gonna be consequences exactly. And and so like I think with like the first case where with sniper wolf, like okay, that was personal beef. There's a huge difference between making other people as a whole feel uncomfortable. So, like, I mean, the rest of these with the the therapist, the try-again liberal, you have somebody who's out there shooting people, you have somebody out there who is trying to uh get a whole group genocide, another person who is taking things back to the 1920s, those people are are a different story where they're they're they're trying to affect other people versus Jack Films who was going for one person in particular. Okay. One person in particular, take them to court. If you really felt that he was calling you out and and ruining your life, yeah, he's slandering your reputation.
SPEAKER_02:If you think you can, then yeah, see him in court. Like let it be settled there. But you didn't. You showed up to his house.
SPEAKER_01:And so on on our scale of toxicity, where where would you put this? Would you put this as a green potato where you shave off the green and you're able to eat the potato? Would you put this as a deathcap mushroom where you have a 50-50 shot of dying? Or would you say that this is a lime jello with antifreeze? It's a life for last meal?
SPEAKER_02:I I know the answer should be antifreeze. Right. Like we're talking about doxing. Doxing is bad, and something that you know I think is the issue here is that you may put that information out with good intentions, even for a bad person. You may put that information out and be like, hey, I uncovered this Nazi, like it's it's Bob. But the internet does not have good intentions, and something you have to be aware about is that you may have put that information out, like, to be helpful and to help identify this bad person, but people may not act like adults around the information. See as a sniper wolf, like did not act like an adult about this, and you now lose control and you don't know who is going to get that information. And again, even if Bob's a Nazi, Bob does not deserve to have some somebody show up at his house and shoot him and murder him, like out of the blue, because you know, they saw this, like, oh, it's this guy, and then they looked him up in the phone book and then drove there. Does he deserve the rotten prison? Yes, yes, he does. You're gonna be a Nazi. I guess I would have to say, and I I do actually want to give a big thank you to my sister, who took one for the team and looked up how much antifes it takes to kill somebody, like the real NVP here. And the deal is without getting into all of it, it it depends obviously on your size. Uh, it also depends if you've been drinking alcohol. If you've been drinking alcohol, that will save you. So I guess I'm gonna say that doxing is our our previous one was you know, you made lime jello and you like swirled the spoon in there that had been an antifreeze. Um, and the new updated, more clinically accurate version is this is jello, lime jello with antifreeze in it, but you have had like eight shots of tequila, so you were partially protected from it. So like low antifreeze.
SPEAKER_01:I'm actually gonna have to.
SPEAKER_02:Ooh, wow.
SPEAKER_01:I'm gonna say death cap. So I think that this is one of those things where it depends. Because like how far you go with it. So I mean, if you go if if you get the person fired, now they're gonna be struggling, and things like that by because of the the actions that they do, that's one thing. So it and it and it's just like any other job where if I were to if I were to go to work at Mickey D's and I punch my coworker in the face.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I hope so.
SPEAKER_01:So obviously I'm getting.
SPEAKER_02:Now, if you don't want to get fired, try Waho instead. They'll keep you on. Wahoes.
SPEAKER_01:Waho?
SPEAKER_02:You are safe. You can punch all the coworkers and customers you want.
SPEAKER_01:Uh so so yeah, I think that actions do deserve consequences. I don't think those consequences should be a fear of your life. But at the same time, I think that you also have to really, you know, find a ground. So, like, just as we were kind of saying before, or as you were saying before, that how far does that line go, or how long does that line last? So looking at the the therapist I was talking about before, when I looked her up by name, you still saw the the the whole video of the trauma dumping, but it was a little bit lower on the Google scale now that it was been two almost three years. Somebody like the Connor Estelle, his name is gonna be all over the place for a good long while. But again, I think that if you're if you're talking about genocide, then yeah, you probably should have your name related to that for the case.
SPEAKER_02:I guess again, the thing with doxing is that you were publishing this information without the person's agreement, and that's where it gets weird, is that these people, you know, kind of in conventional speak, they dox themselves. They published identifiable information about themselves without their own permission. And that that's a hundred percent like I don't feel bad for you. Where I do feel bad about is if somebody says, Hey, here's this person, and you put that information out, and even if again, you're doing it with the best of intentions, and this is why I think there's why doxing is so bad, you can have the purest intentions, like for this therapist, and you put it out there, and you're like, Hey, she said this, and that's like super not okay, and here's why. And you mention her name, like her real government name, and somebody then in a state of mind that's like really upset, because you know, this may be somebody who needs to be in therapy or is in therapy and is not doing too hot, and they see your video and they're like, yo, fuck this woman. And they go and buy a gun and and go shoot her. That is a very real thing that you have to think about, like when you dox somebody, that you don't control that information that you're putting out there. And you again, you did it with pure intentions. You wanted people to know here's who she is, here's what she said, here's why that's wrong. But you don't know how people will use that. And that's not your responsibility and your fault, but you do have to keep that in the back of your head that, like, what is the worst case scenario? Death.
SPEAKER_01:But even like the the last three, like, I would still call that doxing just because of the fact that you know, like the the Silo Hendricks, it's not like she went out there and said, Hi, I'm Miss Hendrix, and I'm a racist, you know, calling a five-year-old with the N-word. People or the video went viral, and somebody was able to say, Oh, I know.
SPEAKER_02:That's true, yeah, that is doxing.
SPEAKER_01:And then gave out her public information. The same thing with Connor, he only gave his first name. Somebody was able to look him up and give out his last name. Rittenhouse, I mean, yeah, the news kind of doxed him, but you know, it is still like it's not like the the the last three were like, you know what? I want everybody to know that that's true.
SPEAKER_02:I guess the difference really comes down to like, you know, how misbehaving is your misbehavior. Because once it crosses that line of like, I love fascism, yay! Oh, you get what you got. Like, I don't I don't feel bad, you lost your job. When it's a hey, you made a video about me that I'm really uncomfortable with and I'm really mad, and you know, I'm gonna like publish this about you to shame you, and something bad happens, then it's a little bit different because it's like I feel like we maybe could have handled this better. Again, I still think it's not a full for me, it's not a full-on antiphrase because I think it has some uses. I think public shaming is a good thing sometimes. But I think we do just it can turn deadly, and we do have instances of it turning deadly, and I think that's something you have to keep in mind at all times, like when you decide am I going to do this or not, and that's why I give it that that ranking.
SPEAKER_01:So if you have any differences of opinions and want to dox Lindsay or Christopher, you it feels weird to say your full name like that. Please feel free to write us at toxic at awesome lifespills.com, or you can find us on Blue Sky, TikTok, X, Facebook. Well, it's still up there.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, that's true, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And please follow us. And until next time, I've been Christopher Patchett, LCSW.
SPEAKER_02:And I've been Lindsay McLean.
SPEAKER_01:Bye.
SPEAKER_02:Bye.
