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Misogyny, $800 first dates, simps, and high-value women: Social media has been busy cooking up and feeding us an addictive but toxic slurry of trends over the past few years. Here at The Toxic Cooking Show we're two friends dedicated to breaking down these trends, terms, and taunts into their simplest ingredients to understand where they came from and how they affect our lives. Join us each week as we ponder and discuss charged topics like personal responsibility and "not all men" before placing them on our magical Scale O' ToxicityAny comments or topics you want to hear about write to us at toxic@awesomelifeskills.com
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Burnstock Part II Cruising to a Better Festival
Ever wondered how two music events could offer such contrasting experiences? This episode takes you deep into the chaos and communal spirit of music festivals. We start by recounting the horrifying events of Woodstock 99, where chaos reigned and safety measures fell disastrously short. Then, we shift gears to the heartwarming community found on a music cruise Christopher frequently attends, where collective action and a sense of shared responsibility ensure a safe space for everyone. Listen to firsthand accounts from female attendees who explain how they’ve helped foster an environment of mutual respect and security, proving that concert culture can be both wild and welcoming.
Finally, we unravel the ties of establishing effective security protocols at music venues. The importance of having clear procedures for handling incidents like sexual harassment cannot be overstated. We draw on examples like Taylor Swift's proactive measures during her shows to highlight how performers and security teams must work together to maintain a secure environment. From managing large crowds to ensuring unobtrusive yet visible security, we discuss the logistical challenges and the critical role of both security staff and performers. By understanding the unique needs of different events, every concertgoer can enjoy a memorable and safe experience.
Hi and welcome to the Toxic Cooking Show, where we break down toxic people to their simplest ingredients. I am your host, christopher Patchett LCSW.
Speaker 2:And I'm Lindsay McLean.
Speaker 1:So we did a special on Woodstock 99, and all the wonderful, wonderful, wonderful things that went along with it. So there was sexual assault, there was capitalism at its finest. There was the end of the concert, which was the place being torched down, and I forgot to mention this. The National Guard was actually called in and that was how the concert ended.
Speaker 2:I'm just going to say. The image of the overflowing port-a-potties into the mud fight area has been burned into my brain and I really wish I could get rid of it.
Speaker 1:So now, anytime that you see like mud on the ground, you're like Just going to walk around it I'm better safe than sorry, you know so this was another one that I was kind of looking forward to, and I was. I actually interviewed a couple of people. Every year, I do this cruise, a music cruise, and I absolutely love it. Uh, it's one of my it's classical music right, really chill, calms in mozart gets up there, you know beijo then yep, they totally like rock it out oh yeah so it's.
Speaker 1:It's of Mali. I absolutely love it and I go on it every year, and one of the things that I was kind of worried about when I did the interview was being a guy Maybe I'm not seeing things as much as a woman who is going through these things so I was looking forward to it. Who is going through these things? So I was looking forward to it and then also, at the same time, I was scared to, because I didn't want to have that illusion of 2,500 people who are in unity, and one of the things that we have, like you'll see it all around, is One Love. We are a collection of people from anywhere of 20 to I mean there are some people in their 60s, 70s.
Speaker 2:So like you, oh damn. Sorry, it's been a while. Had to get a little one in.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry who was? I had to take a little nappy nappy nap Shut up.
Speaker 1:So I mean, there's a whole range of people, like you know, between 20 and 60-something, and you know it's a wonderful thing because for me I went there the first time I was doing it by myself and I never felt so more welcomed. I had never felt more, you know, able to just kind of sit down, and I mean it's one of these things where you can go there not knowing a single person and you leave with 2500 friends. I was worried about that illusion like being being, like you know, put to waste, and one of the things that I have noticed is that when we came back from one of the cruises, there was a whole message board of this one person who had gotten a little handsy and everybody called him out. You did have some of his friends saying, oh, I know him and he would never do something like that, but you know the majority of us we were like hey, we don't want you back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we don't want you back yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, we went as far as collectively telling the cruise line that we didn't want that, even if he tried to put it up. Amen, that, yeah, we, we got together. We said, you know, if, if he does try to come on and you allow us or allow him, then it's either you know you have a cruise for one person or you have a cruise for you know 2,500 people.
Speaker 2:Nice, I love this. I love this for all of us. This is how it should be, so.
Speaker 1:I did talk to a couple of the women and I did mention about this one time, about how there was, um, you know, the only thing that I have ever seen was a guy who had gotten drunk and kind of did the creepy, like follow around and things like that. And there was a girl that she even said to me she was like oh my God, I'm so happy that you're here. I feel so much safer which, you know, we already kind of covered that, uh, but that, that but it was, it's good that at least there is a safety. And so, from the people that I talked to and I'm not going to mention their names, I promised them that I wouldn't say their names, the people that I talked to, I asked them when the first things I I said about I said that we were doing a show on woodstock 99 and they were old enough to know, like remember exactly what happened in woodstock 99, and I was just kind of like, you know, like one of the things I'm kind of hoping to do here is, you know, see, what were some of the things that happens during our cruises, If, if there are things that are going on that I'm unaware of being a guy.
Speaker 1:And then also, too, what are some of the things that make our cruise different than Woodstock 99? So very first thing is I want to know is were there any incidents that had ever encountered? And so the one said about. There was the incident of her seeing one of her friends getting groped and she went over, she talked to the security guard and the security guard said like something along the lines of well, it is probably not as bad as what it seems what the fuck yeah, so ew
Speaker 1:so she said that she talked to one of the other people you know on the ship and that guy went over and flipped shit on this other guy who was getting handsy. And so that's when I asked if this was, you know, the same incident of you know, 2017 or 18, I forget which year it was that everybody was kind of posting and she's like I think that was probably the same guy and I said, you know, like I remember that we were kind of posting about how we didn't want this person on the ship ever again and things like that. And you know, she's like I think that's probably the same person.
Speaker 1:The other people you know, other women that I talked to, it was kind of it was nothing severe, it was maybe a guy who, uh, got a little drunk, you know, and did the creepy follow around and, you know, made him feel uncomfortable, but it was never to the point of like I feel that I'm alone in this type of uncomfortable. They all said the same thing where, uh, even if they did feel uncomfortable, there was always somebody that was like within five feet that they could just, you know, go to and say like hey, you know, like, you know, can you talk to this person and they would gladly, you know, do that.
Speaker 2:That's good.
Speaker 1:You know hearing this, it made me feel a lot better.
Speaker 2:Your picture, perfect, ideal little cruise wasn't ruined.
Speaker 1:Exactly, exactly that. You know, we we are able to come together and just how I was kind of saying, like you know, with Woodstock 99, as a female, the moment that you walk past security, you have guys saying, show us your tits. And you have one, not another guy saying, yo man, you know, that's fucked up, you can't be doing that, not another person that they can go to and feel safe. Then they are completely like show us your tits, fuck. Like. Who do I go to? Where do I go? The the security personnel they were a fucking joke. Uh. No other guy uh would walk in and kind of say like yo man, that's, that's totally fucked up. Um, it was just that situation. That situation you either had to take it or you had to just turn around and walk out that gate again.
Speaker 2:I think some of that probably goes a little bit back to and I'm sure we'll talk about this later like we've spoken about before in personal responsibility and the bystander effect and all of that that if you see other people not putting up with this type of shit, I think it's more encouraging to you to also stand up for and be like no, I'm not going to. I see that this is not allowed and so I'm going to stand on that side. And the fact that you guys literally kicked this guy off and like he can never come back.
Speaker 2:You've weeded out some of the bad ones which is good, like I'm very, very happy for that.
Speaker 2:But I think that that type of behavior breeds a good environment, versus the Woodstock 99 one where, when you start off like that, even though you might have had people who kind of were like, ah, should I do something, because no one else is moving and everyone else is just accepting the bad behavior, it's like, well, I don't want to get ganged up on and jumped behind the port-a-potty, so I'm just gonna pretend like I didn't see anything it's definitely one of these things where it would be nice to be able to end it off and have this be a 10 minute episode and just be like well, you know, everything is good, everything's fine you know I mean that it doesn't end with unicorns on the toxic cooking show but unfortunately there are still a lot of concerts that are going on that do not have the same mentality and, just as you said, like you know, like once you kind of had that, that person who starts at that mentality of like yo, that's not cool, it's, it's easier.
Speaker 1:But also one of the things that I kind of talked about was to the people that I talked to. Uh, they, they said one of the things that they felt was beautiful was the fact of the type of people that were coming to.
Speaker 1:You know that that cruise yeah especially when you're talking about, like most punk rock. You know it's the whole idea of unity, it's the whole idea that, um, that we are, you know, equal and it's about like you know equal and it's about like you know like seeing, you know the people that are next to you as your family. You know, man, woman, whatever you know that you are. You know punk rock kind of comes from this whole like middle class mentality. You know it was kind of the idea that we took care of of of each other. But you know, kind of getting back to the whole thing with concerts is that you know that you know you have a group of people on that kind of base their entire life. You know off these values versus Woodstock 99, where it was the frat bros.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's the mentality that you're going to see a lot more people who are into punk rock who are going to say, like dude, you shouldn't be trying to get with that girl, she's totally trashed. Versus the frat bros is how trash can we get her before we can hook up with her?
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:And it's kind of that whole idea that, yes, we can be taught to either which way. It's just. Where do you put your values at?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and certainly different kinds of music and even within certain genres of music, certain musicians and groups, I'm sure kind of whether it's by choice or it just kind of happens that way you have your group of fans and obviously flogging molly has I'm biased a good group of fans, but you there are definitely others where I'm sure you could since you're much more aware of this than I am could look at and be like I might not go to one of their concerts if I was a woman, just kind of looking at the people who identify with them and potentially even the fact that if something has come up in the past, has this been a band or a singer who has said like hey, stop that. Or are they the type of person who's going to be like let's fuck shit up?
Speaker 1:And that was one of the things, one of the people that I did talk to. They were my age and so they were 19 when Woodstock 99 happened and they were saying about how you know, woodstock 99 never appealed to them because of the fact that you know not only just the music, but also the fact that you know the people that were going to be shown there, and there was one year that that Dropkick Murphys- I don't know if you ever heard of them or.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, so Dropkick Murphys were supposed to come on to the cruise and a lot of us were kind of like, yeah, the fucking people that come on or that follow them. We really don't know it's. It's not a good you know thing. Like you know, like I, I like dropkick murphy's and everything, but at the same time, like I, I'm not a huge follower, like I wouldn't, I wouldn't go on a cruise, just you know, if they were headlining.
Speaker 2:I mean, our executive producer is named.
Speaker 1:It was funny when, when I had a dog Walker, you know, interviewing Molly and everything like that and just kind of seeing like how they get along, she's like, oh, so what was you know the puppy's name? I was like, oh, it's Molly. She's like, oh, is she named after the band? I was like, yeah, How'd you know? She's like you're wearing their shirt. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Not subtle at all, are you so yes?
Speaker 1:Are executive producers named after the band. Yeah, you know that's going to be. The thing is that you know the people that go to these concerts and things like that. They are going to set the stage. They are going to set the stage. And that's where, again, that personal responsibility kind of comes into play is are you going to be a follower or are you going to be a leader? And the thing is is that you have to. When it comes time to these different bands and it's funny because probably the two of the biggest genres of music where they're like, oh, they're so harsh and they're so aggressive and things like that you always hear metal and punk.
Speaker 2:Which are usually two of the actually nicest.
Speaker 1:Exactly Two of the actually nicest. Exactly, you know it's. Yeah, there are again. There are going to be some genres of, you know, punk and metal, that are going to be more aggressive, you know, towards other people but you know like metal and punk itself, like in this pure form, are probably two of the most politest people you'll ever, you know, meet.
Speaker 1:I can vouch for that, you know they're there with their bald heads and their tattoos and their you know big old goatees and everything, and they're so vicious and it's like um hi, I'm Chris, nice to meet you.
Speaker 2:They're vicious towards the authorities, but not towards anyone else, Like everyone else is fine.
Speaker 1:You know kind of going off of this. We're kind of looking at both Woodstock 99 and also, you know, the Cruise. What do we do at this point, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:As somebody who does not frequent concerts, I'm probably not the best person to ask. Not that I don't like concerts, but my mode of enjoying them is to just kind of stand there and people don't like that Stay behind the tall person.
Speaker 2:I can't see what's going on. I don't know if I've ever showed you. I went to a concert with some friends in the Netherlands and I took a photo at one point just to show them what my view was, because it's the Netherlands, so I'm definitely like a solid head below everyone else. But no, I like to just stand there and enjoy it, and people don't like it that I'm not dancing and moving around and so it gets awkward Because I don't. You can go, do that. You can go in the mosh pit. I support you in this. I don't want to. I just want to stand here.
Speaker 2:From people who have gone and had not crazy bad experiences but just kind of uncomfortable experiences of guys following them around, guys getting a little too handsy and not groping or anything, but the classic story of you realize there's this dude just like right behind you and he's conveniently like oh, you know, we're having fun and the hands on your shoulder and like yay, you're like, oh, please don't.
Speaker 2:I've heard that type of thing from friends who have gone with that sort of level of harassment was like uh, you probably know that that's not great, but it's also not really really terrible type things like you're not in danger, nothing like that. But I don't know how much of that is. Just they're careful. How much of that is we've started to maybe do a better job at concerts or something. Certainly I think that having trained security novel concept, it's always it's always a good thing, because that's certainly one thing that also stuck out to me from the woodstock 99 story was the fact that when you just start off like that and you have these security guards who have every incentive to be bribed and not do what they're supposed to do, they're not not security, they're peace patrol.
Speaker 2:See, right there, right, fucking there. That's the problem. When you've got the peace patrol wandering around like giving out their tickets to people, cause it's like come, get in what authority do you actually have? What training do you actually have? I?
Speaker 1:mean they had a couple of hours.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's, definitely enough.
Speaker 1:Of course, along with the test that they knew all the answers to.
Speaker 2:But you know, Yep, nothing can go wrong here, but stuff like that. We're actually having trained security professional who were being paid enough that like it's worth their time to be watching, as opposed to just kind of like zoned out and not just trained in terms of how to take somebody down and out, but trained to be watching for this type of thing, trained to know what to do If somebody comes up to you and reports something. You're like oh, I saw this, I saw that. I mean there need to be rules in places, not just within security guards, but I think probably also at venues, so that people know what to do, Because that always seems to be a problem. Whenever there's a problem for lack of a better word when something goes wrong, what do you do? And if there's not a clear plan of if A happens, then we do B, If C happens, then we do D, People can kind of be like I don't know, I don't want to stir the pot, I don't want to call the police when we don't need to and say, okay, at this venue, if somebody reports sexual harassment, here is what has to happen.
Speaker 2:This person must be contacted. This person must be contacted. You must bring the person in to interview them. You must make every attempt to identify who the person was, who was harassing them, that type of thing. That way people don't have a way out to be like, ooh, this looks hard and messy, I don't want to get involved. Have a way out to be like, Ooh, this looks hard and messy, I don't, I don't want to get involved.
Speaker 2:I think that would be probably one of the biggest ways to cut down on is if you had that level of training that everyone had and knowledge about what do we do, so that then when stuff does cause I'm sure things have been reported in the past and like you said this one story she went up to the first security guard and said something and they were just like I don't know. And if you had had rules in place, then it would be a lot easier to go back to the person and be like why did you not follow this? You knew what you were supposed to do. There was a very clear and you had been through the training that said, if somebody says this you're supposed to do X, Y, Z and you didn't, so why, as opposed to them just being like she couldn't prove it, man, Like I don't, what am I supposed to do. I get paid like bare minimum wage to be here. I don't care.
Speaker 1:So I think that kind of with that security and we were able to do do a good long amount of time without having to say this, but this is going to be Jumble jumble. This is actually a show that I'm looking to do as well. As far as security goes, the security who is like always, probably not as bad and just kind of like playing it off and it's it shouldn't have needed to come down to one of the other you know spectators to yeah, you know that that's your fucking job is security?
Speaker 2:it literally is.
Speaker 1:That's why you're there and you know you kind of have to look at, like you know, like, uh, I think that especially when you're talking about, like you know, like a concert, you're talking about a couple thousand up to you know, tens of thousands, and then even in cases like woodstock 99, where you're talking about hundreds of thousands, even in most of your shows, you know, especially the ones I go to, the band kind of interacts with the, the audience, a lot, uh, not only you know, as part of the show, but also, like you'll see, like a lot of times you'll see bands where they'll uh, stop the show, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
Speaker 1:And then they'll say, hey, like look, you know we're seeing out there, like you know, like too many, you know, like, uh, somebody's falling down like let's stop the show, let's, let's get them back up. You know, make sure that he's okay. So they're actually out there watching, which is a wonderful thing, and you also do have to take into consideration that they are putting on a show yeah so somebody like taylor swift, so you know she has stopped her show for for reasons if she, if she does get something.
Speaker 1:So you know she has stopped her show for reasons if she does catch something. But you know you kind of look at like a show like Taylor Swift or something like that, where it's not just the singing but it's also you're performing. You're going to miss out on a lot of that.
Speaker 1:And you got to figure that the person on stage, that is the person who is going to have the clearest view of everything that's going on. Yeah, you know, and I think that you know the way that you kind of have security as of right now you have security that is, you know, surrounding the stage and looking at people kind of head on. And you know, if you have a fan like myself who is a legit six foot two, uh, standing in front of you.
Speaker 1:I like that not just on my okCupid profile, but legit. So if you have somebody like me standing in front of one of the guards, well, now you just take in.
Speaker 2:You know a portion of that, you know security system.
Speaker 1:I didn't know you were a Swifty oh.
Speaker 2:You like to shake it off?
Speaker 1:There is a couple of swifty songs. I wouldn't say that I am a full-fledged swifty, but you and molly dance for them I wouldn't break down crying if I saw her, but I'd be like hey, I really like your music.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's nice.
Speaker 1:And if she asked me out, I wouldn't say no. So what does a football player have that I don't?
Speaker 2:write.
Speaker 1:Other than billions of dollars.
Speaker 2:She has billions more than him. She is not dating him for his. Oh no, no, no, no. I'm his.
Speaker 1:Oh no, no no, I'm, I'm not even going there with that I'm not even going, but. But it would be the reversal type thing where, like that's true is. Is he fucking. How much privilege is he now getting because of her?
Speaker 2:all of it. I'm not ashamed to admit it.
Speaker 1:So so I think security like definitely I think that we need to have more security up on stage. You know could be on the side, but at least being able to like look out. Like you know the thing was what's Dr 99. The girl was literally getting raped right next to the stage. And I mean, you have fat boy slim who is in the center there and he's looking at his. You know the the records he's looking at at his. You know the the records he's looking at everybody in front of him. So, yeah, you, you is. It's impossible for him to be able to pay attention to what's going on right next to the stage. Uh, as opposed to somebody who is standing on the stage and just kind of like looking back and forth making sure that people are okay and seeing like what's going on on the side of the stage.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Cause you're right that I mean they do have the best view, but also their main job should not be watching for people to be acting badly. It should be performing and entertaining, Cause that's what everyone's paying them to do. But yeah, then that means the security guards may just have to be a little more visible. I know that's part of it is they don't want them there messing up the shots, all of that. But if that means that's what we have to do to make sure that people are safe, I feel like it's worth it.
Speaker 1:And it's not like you even have to have security, like right you know, bit. And it's not like you even have to have security, like right you know.
Speaker 2:It's not like they're going to be standing up on the stage looking you know, yeah, okay, no, they're not going to be standing there like shoulder to shoulder you know.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, you know, have those people that are, that are on the the front there. But again, you know, somebody like me, you just taking, you know, one of your security systems out Because I'm more interested in being, you know, right there and having that moment of like being close to the band and feeling the music. And, ah, as a fan, I'm not thinking about security, you know, I'm not sitting there being like how can I fuck up security or how can I help them. I'm just in the moment, feeling the music. So, and again, like you know, like you can always have those, you know like few securities on the side of the stage, that is an absolute out of vision of everybody else who are there. Uh, because if you're focused on the band, you're focused on the band. You know you're not giving a shit about what's going on inside. Yeah, so I think that security upping of the game of security and just like you said about having trained security versus, you know, a test, a peace patrol.
Speaker 2:I think that there are certain jobs that are really good. To have freelancers kind of like dip in and out of Security is not one of them. It's what we want it to be, and I think a lot of these venues want to be able to just hire people for an event and then they're gone, and so you can have this kind of ever-changing cast of people. You don't have a group. That's like we are the stadium x security. I know some places do, for sure, but I don't know how many of them have like a really good, like core group of people who have been there time and time again for these big concerts. And I'm not talking about, like the higher ups, I'm talking about, like, the people on the ground. Are these the people who are there all the time? Are these people who are being paid for a full-time job, who get all the benefits of a full-time job because they're working really hard and so they are now incentivized to actually do their stuff?
Speaker 1:Imagine that Peace patrol my ass, god damn looking at these types of concerts where you know you have a lot of people coming in and and you taking that risk and things like that, where, on the scale of toxicity, would you put this? Would you put this as a green potato, where it might get you a little sick but it's not going to do that much damage, a death cap mushroom where you have a 50-50 shot of dying from it? Or would you place this as antifreeze where it is a delightful last meal?
Speaker 2:I would say it heavily depends on the concert itself, that it could range from a green potato to a death cap mushroom, depending on who is performing and where they're performing. And unfortunately there are a lot of things that could go into. I mean, for instance, a taylor swift concert I think is probably going to be pretty safe, looking at the demographic that's paying hundreds of.
Speaker 1:You've never told a Swifty that Taylor Swift sucks, have you?
Speaker 2:Oh, I know they're rabid I know they are, but I'm just saying it's going to be predominantly women who are there and obviously there are men who are welcome as well and there are dudes who are Swifties and are going to go like straight men and that's perfectly acceptable.
Speaker 2:But I think that because of her demographic, her concert is going to be on the safer side, versus if you have an outdoor multi-day music festival where people are going to be you know, camping and there's the higher potential of drug usage, alcohol usage, that's not being kind of monitored, because potentially if you're going to see somebody in a stadium, they're not checking to see how many beers you've bought, but they do potentially have the right to kind of be like you look really sloshed, like we're not going to serve you anymore, versus if you're camping at an outdoor festival, you may have snuck alcohol in, you may be sending people to go get it for you.
Speaker 2:It may be a little easier to be consuming a lot more than everyone realizes, and because it's so much bigger and so much more spread out and because there's a higher likelihood that people are using alcohol and drugs mixed together, I think that is the death cap mushroom, because that's what you had with Woodstock 99, in addition to all the other problems. And that's not to say that outdoor weekend-long music festivals are dangerous by any means. I know plenty of people who have gone to them had a fantastic time, would go back if you know they had the money, they had time, whatever. But I think that you just have to be aware that that type of thing is inherently more likely to have problems because of the way this is set up than certain other types of concerts.
Speaker 1:So I would say it's depending green potato to death, cap mushroom I, I would actually I, so I would definitely put it at green potato to antifreeze. Um looking at what's I mean you had the National fucking Guard called in. That's true.
Speaker 2:I see why they don't teach us this in school. They're just like nope.
Speaker 1:So I mean I think once you kind of have an action of the National Guard, I think you're going beyond the death cap. Yeah, that you're actually turning refrigerated trucks into bombs. We're slightly past the 50-50 here.
Speaker 2:That's true, but I'd like to hope that in general, that's like the super, super minority of cases. But I mean clearly it. It happened then, and I wouldn't be surprised if that type of thing has happened more or less in other places around the world. That you have some type of music festival that just gets cranked to 11 and people like we're gonna blow shit up now, let's go but I, I would definitely, I would say that this is definitely a death cap.
Speaker 1:Uh, just because of the fact that you can have those two extremes, I think that another thing that that you know we are able to do is to look at. You know, it's pretty obvious. You know what group of people are going to go with which bands.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I think that, since you do have such a, you know, high degree of differences like, just like you said, taylor Swift fans, like you know, you're not going to have the guy who says Taylor Swift sucks at a Taylor Swift sign, so you're pretty well not going to have the guy who says Taylor Swift sucks at a Taylor Swift sign, so you're pretty well not going to have it right.
Speaker 2:Also, I feel like Swifties are the type of people who would probably help you If something happened. I feel like that is a group that would be more likely to if they saw something.
Speaker 1:Come to the rescue, come, come, check on you yeah, I, you know, and I I think that that's the thing is like. I think that you're swifties and I think like vlog of molly cruise. People tend to self-police and you know you're not gonna need. You know the high security as you would, for you know when I was listening to bands, for what?
Speaker 1:stock 99, these are bands that you never listened to really but at the same time, you knew exactly like, oh shit, like you know, like I, I see where this is going yeah so you know, you know what group of people are going to go with, what bands, and especially like at a venue, like that's part of the job is to do the research of okay, I'm inviting this band to play at this venue, what kind of people are going to be here and what kind of security am I going to need? Am I going to need, you know, fucking riot police or am I gonna need, like you know, like, or do most of the people self-police and and just need like you?
Speaker 2:know, 30 heads to just kind of like you know, uh, make sure that people don't trip and fall and and get hurt yeah, yeah, I think it is highly dependent and again with the venues, that's on them to do the research ahead of time and be like you need extra security.
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