This week we take a look at giving the spotlight to the "influencers" of social media that, despite having a message of toxic outlooks, continue to have a platform that only grows. We dive deep into Gypsy Rose, (no longer a doctor) Jordan Peterson, and Andrew (tater tot) Tate. We look at the messages they prove and talk about how their toxic messages are not just layered in like an onion, but woven into the people they actually take pride in being.
Also we look at those who listen, enjoy, and share their messages even thought the person that they are sharing goes against every fiber of the sharer's beliefs.
This week we take a look at giving the spotlight to the "influencers" of social media that, despite having a message of toxic outlooks, continue to have a platform that only grows. We dive deep into Gypsy Rose, (no longer a doctor) Jordan Peterson, and Andrew (tater tot) Tate. We look at the messages they prove and talk about how their toxic messages are not just layered in like an onion, but woven into the people they actually take pride in being.
Also we look at those who listen, enjoy, and share their messages even thought the person that they are sharing goes against every fiber of the sharer's beliefs.
Hi and welcome to the Toxic Cooking Show, where we break down toxic people to the simplest ingredients. I am your host, christopher Patchett LCSW.
Speaker 2:And I'm your co-hosthost who's been demoted from daughter lindsey mclean uh, so this is going to be a fun one.
Speaker 1:Um, by fun I mean really, really disturbing. So there are three people that I'm going to talk about. I'm going to try to make it brief as possible. Okay, one of the things I want to kind of start off with is their ideas first, and then how it is that people are praising these people for having such monstrous fucking ideas.
Speaker 2:This sounds fun.
Speaker 1:Let's start off nice. Let's start off lighthearted, okay.
Speaker 2:I don't quite trust you on this.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, I figure that we start off with something you know very, very nice, very, you know, trying to try to get you, you know, like ready for the steps, and we'll start off nicely with gypsy Rose.
Speaker 2:No, no, these two things do not go together. Oh God, if that's the nice, I don't want to see where we end up at the end of this episode.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you, you don't, but unfortunately you get to. Oh goody, uh. So gypsy rose she. Just to kind of give her, you a little bit of background about her, in case you were living under a rock gypsy rose she, her mother had munch munchison.
Speaker 2:If I remember, I think it's Munchausen, if you want to pronounce it the German way.
Speaker 1:I was going to say I know it's fucking German, so it's fucking.
Speaker 2:I don't know how you would pronounce it, necessarily in English.
Speaker 1:So her mother had Munchausen syndrome by proxy. So there is two types of Munchausen syndromes. One is if you pretend to be sick in order to get attention. The other one is by proxy, which is you're a caretaker and you pretend that the person you're caring for is extremely sick. Her mother had done a lot of cruel things. Gypsy Rose herself was unaware of her real age because her mother had forged a birth certificate showing that she was younger than what she really was.
Speaker 2:She's 20 now.
Speaker 1:Oh God, no, she's 32. She's 20 now. Oh God, no, she's 32. She's your age, oh shit. Okay, yeah, she's fucking old. Oh damn, Jack Rude.
Speaker 1:Very rude she was when she was younger, she was in a minor accident on her grandfather's motorcycle. It was very minor, it wouldn't have really registered as anything, but her mother said that she needed a wheelchair. Gypsy rose had her hair shaven down because her mother told her that it was her medication was she was going to lose her hair eventually anyhow, so that's why she would shave it down. We covered a little bit about this in our episode of gaslighting. What it ended up happening is gypsy rose started eventually catching on to things that were going and she met a guy online and I fucking love this. So she met a guy on Christian Mingles.
Speaker 2:Ooh, oh, dear.
Speaker 1:This guy, nicholas. He's been arrested for indecent exposure before he has mental illness of.
Speaker 2:Wait, he had been Hold on. That took me a second to process what you just said. So the ex-boyfriend had been arrested for indecent exposure and he was on Christian Mingles.
Speaker 1:I'm just leaving it at that.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, maybe we change. I know we don't but theoretically someone can change.
Speaker 1:So he does have mental disorder of what is now called disassociated identity disorder, so most people would recognize it as multiple personalities. Okay, so the murder of her mother itself. Gypsy did testify that she was the one who came up with the idea of murder. The night of the murder, she handed nicholas tape knife, had him come over when dd was asleep. Gypsy was charged with second degree murder. After a plea bargain, nicholas was charged with first degree murder. She ended up serving eight years of her tenure sentence and she just got out recently, in december of 2023. Since getting out of prison, she got married to a middle school teacher while she was still in and about a year and a half before her sentence was over, and so she ended up moving in with the the guy that, or her husband how did they meet?
Speaker 2:do I want to know?
Speaker 1:oh, my god. Um, it was actually funny as hell because he basically made a bet with his friend and the bet was you know, his friend said that I'm going to write to so-and-so. And he's like'm going to write to so-and-so. And he's like well, if you write to so-and-so, I'm going to write to Gypsy Rose.
Speaker 2:That's a great start to your relationship.
Speaker 1:Oh God, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I see no red flags, only green flags here.
Speaker 1:And that's what we're all about. So she's living with her husband, she opens up social media all across the board and she's going on this like world tour of. And I quote, he's the one that did the actual kill, not me. So when they say that I'm a murderer, I don't identify as that. Let me reinvent myself. She was on TikTok and from December till she actually just shut down a lot of her social medias. She had 14 million subscribers. Damn On TikTok.
Speaker 1:Damn, what the hell so she did end up deleting her account. She said that her father and her had a discussion and that she was going to delete social media because her father said that maybe social media right now is not the time is this maybe linked to the fact that she and hubby poo are going through a divorce? That was part of it or that was I believe to quote oh god, too early. Yeah, I'm about ready to throw up already good morning but here's the thing.
Speaker 1:According to sources, people magazine says that she was actually told by her parole officer that she should stay off social media if she wants to stay out of jail probably a good idea.
Speaker 1:You know probably a good idea so here's the thing is we talked about this in in in the episode of gaslighting and even as I'm writing this out here now I was. I was actually looking at some things and, like you know, like let me, let me reinvent myself and I didn't do the actual kill and I don't identify as murder. She also gives money to charities. One of the charities was those people who make the ways for people who do have cancer oh yeah, the ones that like collect the hair, like you get your hair cut.
Speaker 1:One of them yeah okay you know, I, I I actually started really feeling for her. I was like you know what, maybe maybe I should take her out. And you know, maybe I'm being wrong, maybe I'm being too harsh on her. And here's the thing is that, even knowing this information, I was still fucking going through the gaslighting. Because here are the things. Is that? Yeah, she? She was told by her parole officer that she should take down her social media. However, she is still going on podcast and she is still living off the fame of what she did. She just literally just got cosmetic surgery, which that by itself, who cares? But the timing of it is maybe. You probably should be a little bit more humble. Right now she's making her rounds on podcast, she's making her rounds on today and she also just signed a contract with lifetime.
Speaker 2:Oh my god didn't they already make a movie about this, or like a tv series, or is that?
Speaker 1:this is what's coming up. It is a tv series. Life after lockup I thought they.
Speaker 2:I thought there was one from like about her mom. I guess this one is just about her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, this is, this is basically just her.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Living her life. And and what gypsy Rose is doing now.
Speaker 2:That is definitely going to improve my daily quality of life. To know what she's doing, I can guarantee you I will live better.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing is like okay, her words are saying one thing, but her actions are showing another. If you want to reinvent yourself, you know you don't appear based off of what you did. If you're trying to reinvent yourself, you're. That's. That's the whole thing of reinventing. Yeah, is that you're saying? Okay?
Speaker 1:this part of reinventing is that you're saying, okay, this part of my life is in the past, I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to think about it. It made me who I am and this is the person that I'm going to be because of that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that's something that people miss. Sometimes it's like, oh, I'm going to reinvent myself and just either you completely forget the the past, which you can't do, because who you are today is created by your past. So you can't just be like, yeah, I killed someone, but like that doesn't affect me. You know, I got my mom killed because she was crazy, but that doesn't affect me. Yeah, it does, but also it does feel kind of gross that she's absolutely profiting off of that, while being like that's not me. But it clearly is enough that I can make money right. When there's money involved, it can be me, but if there's no money, then it's not me and I'm right so here's.
Speaker 1:The thing is that she is. She's spewing all those messages out to 14 million people. Even if it's not a lot of money that she's making off of the TV shows, the appearance and TikTok, it's still livable, you know, depending on how long you know she is able to capitalize on her for lack of a better word fame.
Speaker 2:I mean it is fame, unfortunately, and probably a decent amount, to be honest. I mean she's in the news, people are talking about her, people are aware 14 million followers. I mean TikTok doesn't pay you, but you know they do.
Speaker 1:Oh, they do Even just for posting regular stuff Like it doesn't have to be a brand deal, no, uh, so if you get to, you know it's just like any other type of social media. If you get to a certain level, then you can monetize on tiktok as well oh, I did not know that probably doesn't apply to us well, we have 14 followers 14, 14 million. You know it's same thing.
Speaker 2:I imagine she's making a good amount of money, though, from all of them together.
Speaker 1:I would kind of say that she's. She's probably making more than you and I.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, and I'm torn because, on the one hand, part of me wants to say you know what? This terrible thing happened to you. That was not your fault. Go get your money, girl, in my mouth. That instead of saying yes, this is what happened and this is what I did to get out of it, that she's saying that didn't actually happen but I'm capitalizing on it. I think that's where I kind of draw the line. If you want to say like, yes, I went through this and yes, I'm going to make money off of it now because I'm being offered these deals and I am this famous person, Okay, it's up to people watching to decide. Like, do you want to support that or not. But the gaslighting part is not. Hmm, it's gross.
Speaker 1:And that's the thing is that again I myself, writing this, felt really started feeling sorry for her and really started feeling that I was wrong for putting her in the episode and that you know, again, that is the fucking definition of gaslighting. I gotta want to move on to jordan peterson no, no, no, we don't need to go.
Speaker 1:And he I mean oh, this guy makes me so angry as both a social worker and as a therapist. Jordan Peterson, he's a psychologist, he has this doctorate degree and you would figure that, as a person who studied psychology, would have more sense. So no, he has a video on youtube and let's, let's start off with lowering our blood pressure to just out of boundaries before we get too high no, no, no, no, no, because this, this video, this is the one you sent me right before we recorded right no, this is not the one that we're, we're gonna, we're gonna definitely talk about this one no, no, but he had a another video and it was called the problem with too much empathy.
Speaker 2:I don't think that's a problem in today's society right now. I'm just going to put that out there.
Speaker 1:So he kind of goes off into this whole thing of how people who are politically correct have a high concentration of agreeableness. Correct have a high concentration of agreeableness. So he was saying that him and his students did research and found that the liberals and the radical liberals have this high concentration of agreeableness.
Speaker 2:What does that mean?
Speaker 1:Well, so agreeableness itself, he, he says that agreeableness is that is driven by compassion and it's it's the thing that will stop a person from throwing their baby out the window at three o'clock in the morning because the baby is crying and you know the person hasn't gotten sleep, which, okay, it's kind of an odd example to use.
Speaker 2:but it's a weirdly specific example. I feel like someone was standing there at one point at 3am with their child that was crying and was like I'm going to beat you out the window and never call again.
Speaker 1:And by someone I mean jordan peterson also.
Speaker 2:How do we get from that to compassion, to agreeableness? Like I, they're related.
Speaker 1:This feels like an adhd and and this is you know we'll we'll definitely talk about it in his next video that I showed you. This one made a little bit more sense, but not much.
Speaker 2:Oh, so you just sent me like the proper shit video.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, I see how it is.
Speaker 1:So he goes off about, like you know, agreeableness is driven by compassion, that this is great for infants, elderly and hurt people, but other than that, you shouldn't have like too much compassion for people, because we shouldn't be doing things for people who can do things for themselves, which you know he uses the example. Like you shouldn't, you shouldn't be feeding a person who is able to feed themselves. Like you shouldn't be bringing the fork up to their mouth, so if they, if they can do it themselves, that that I mean, that is just such a bag statement and the example they use. This is so completely off the chart of what the majority of people are saying compassion is about.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Cause yeah, I mean we would all agree that, like, if you and I were sitting in a restaurant, I wouldn't lean over as you like, scoop up the food, like grab hold of your hand in the Like, yeah, I'm helping, I'm compassionate. So I mean he's using the strawman argument, and it, it's, and it works for the people who follow him.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm. He even goes off that if you're too compassionate to your kids, you'll do everything for them. Now here's the thing. Okay, looking at one of my favorite psychologists in the world just based off of his name Eric Erickson.
Speaker 2:Nice.
Speaker 1:Love it.
Speaker 2:His parents chose well, love it, his parents chose well.
Speaker 1:So even looking at what Eric Erickson he is a psychologist. He looked at the different stages of life and if you look, you know, in order to be able to figure out where a person is in their lives and then that way being able to give, like you know, proper therapy to somebody. So even looking at Eric Erickson's you know model, the very first thing is trust versus mistrust, and that is the idea that from zero to one and a half years old, that the baby is looking to their parents for everything. Literally, they are looking to their parents for everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because they have? No, yeah, because they're a fucking baby. So you know too much compassion. You give the child everything that they want. Well, a fucking baby needs food, water, shelter, love. That's all a baby really is asking for, and you, as a parent, have to give them everything that they want.
Speaker 1:You made it thing that they want. You made it uh. And then even uh, autonomy versus shame. The child is still in that stage where they do need you know a lot of things, but the the thing is they'll start asking to do their own thing, like you know uh. They want to uh start dressing themselves. You know you pick the clothes, but they'll they'll put on the clothes themselves.
Speaker 1:You still have to be able to give a lot to that child yeah because I mean, uh, that stage is from one and a half to three years. Three to five is intuitive versus guilt, and that is when the child is able to start making basic decisions what I want to wear. You know you're not going to have a child at that age deciding on how much to spend or anything like that. It's just they're making very simple choices about themselves oh yeah, I remember when I was no parent.
Speaker 2:The the older child was seven when I got there and one of his favorite things to do was to go on the website for porsche and you can like customize your own porsche and he would sit there and be like look this one's only 60 000 euros can we get it? And I was like I don't think your little mind understands what 60 000 euros is.
Speaker 1:Okay, this keeps you busy and here's the thing is that if he is going off of this platform of too much empathy, too much compassion is a horrible thing, and then he turns around and he will say things about transgender. I don't believe that you using your own pronouns is going to be good for you. He said about a Ottawa city councilman that uses they them and said that so that she is an appalling self-righteous thing.
Speaker 2:Ew sir no no.
Speaker 1:And Yanni knew she was a cover model of Sports Illustrated Mm-hmm, and she's a plus-size model and actually I mean she's not all that big, you know. She's a little bit bigger than the, the average sports uh illustrated cover, but not that big, says you know.
Speaker 1:He tweeted out sorry, not beautiful, and no matter of authoritarian tolerance is going to change that no one said you have to find everyone beautiful and and, and this is the thing is that he is spewing all this shit out, and then even the video that I did show you oh, that hurt my brain he was going off about the me too movement and he says that he starts off comparing about men and criminals. You know, like not all criminals or not all people are criminals, there's different levels of people who are criminality or their criminality and saying that not all men are this way, and then there's certain degrees of harassment.
Speaker 2:I mean, yeah, but he still completely missed the mark. He said there are different degrees, but then he immediately turned it around. I was like there's no hierarchy.
Speaker 1:Hierarchy is bad, no no, he was saying that that liberals. So okay, so for our audience, I I'm gonna try to save a lot of, you know, headaches yeah, it's a six minute video, but you'll hate yourself I, I, I shed it to lindsey just because the way that he speaks it's it sounds like a person with adhd just going on an absolute rant.
Speaker 1:He'll say a buzzword. He'll say like something that is completely all right and then he will say like 10 sentences that have absolutely nothing to do with what he's saying no, because each one is tangentially related to the next one and we're just moving further and further from the point at any given moment and and I, I.
Speaker 1:so I said I sent you the video because, like, literally, I, I, I watched it and I watch it, and I watch it and I'm trying to figure out what this guy is saying, because he's a psychologist, he's supposed to have some kind of meaning or or some kind of point to his rants, but he doesn't. And the thing is, I literally thought that like okay, am I just? Is there something wrong with me? Am I just not getting it? So I said to you you know, watch this video and tell me what you think Sent you the video and you're like I couldn't understand what. It just sounded like ADHD. I was like, yes, yes, because that's all it was. It was just a rant.
Speaker 1:But the thing is it's beautifully done because of the fact that, again, I'm writing about this shit, I'm doing a whole episode about this shit and it got me too. About this shit. I'm doing a whole episode about this shit and it got me too. So it puts people in this position of if I don't understand what he's saying, then somehow that says that I'm not smart enough. And he does throw in buzzwords, he does throw in the all right position of things, but then it's followed up with just bullshit, rather than saying that this is my view and this is proof or this is why I view it this way. It's just this is my view. And then just completely confuses the living. Fuck out the other person. And the other person again is putting that, that position of like okay, I didn't even understand. Like there's not even a point to start to ask for clarifying questions.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can't go back and be like wait, you were saying X, y, z, can you? Because I noticed the interviewer like she just went on to the next question, she didn't even try and go back. She just went on to the next question, she didn't even try and go back, which for me is like that is your job to do. But the other part feels like a lot of sympathy for her Because if that had been me, I would have taken in zero information. And then you're like next question, just next question on my list.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I mean, even if somebody does go into a rant, there might be something that you're confused about and you ask them, he throws in like straw man excuses, but none of it makes sense. And again, after his, what would you say? Maybe like two minute explanation? You're left there Like where the fuck do I even start, like I, where do I pull apart this shit?
Speaker 2:You can't you can't but people loved it.
Speaker 2:Did you read those comments? Oh yeah, I was dumb and I scrolled down to see what the comments were and then instantly regretted it. People were like, yeah, man, well said, this is amazing, couldn't agree more. People were loving it. I was like I don't know what you got from this. You got what you wanted to get. You had an idea. You heard a buzzword that you agreed with. Therefore, you agree with this whole thing, but I guarantee you could not tell me what his arguments were. Right, I held a gun to your head. You could not tell me.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 2:I should have. Man, you've messed up my youtube algorithm.
Speaker 1:You better not have uh, so this is the last person I want to bring up, and then, after I bring him up, I I kind of want to discuss how all these people gonna fit in. So I don't want to discuss too much more because we'll talk about that in a second here okay, I think I know who's going to be third person and I don't like this uh, yeah, I don't I I should I?
Speaker 2:should I go pour myself a glass of wine? I?
Speaker 1:I mean I would probably get a whole bottle of Everclear.
Speaker 2:Is it Andrew Tate?
Speaker 1:Yes, it is. It is the alpha male of all alpha males, aka just a toxic motherfucker Just all around. So he first kind of got into the the light like he. He was an mma fighter, big within that, the mma community, but the rest of the world really didn't know who he was until he got kicked off of big brother in the uk in 2016 after a sex tape emerged. Now the thing is is I'm not going to get too graphic into it, but let's just say if it was like a Paris Hilton tape or if it was like any other type of sex tape that gets leaked out, he wouldn't have gotten kicked off of Big Brother. They probably would have embraced it to really show off views, the fact that he got kicked off yeah it was not a good sex tape, to put it lightly.
Speaker 1:And here's the thing is that he says he's discussing things of. Sexual harassment is disgusting and inexcusable.
Speaker 2:However no, no. There is never, however, after that statement that, yeah, that.
Speaker 1:That, however, should not be there. That you. You started that sentence off. Great beautiful, stop.
Speaker 2:But however, a man looking at you or whistling at you or asking your name isn't harassment it literally is, and I am even looking at you because there are different types of looks and we all know it, and men know it, you do yeah, okay, and you know, I mean, and and there's again, this is a whole thing of where jordan peterson actually kind of talked about that, of how that we're going into this whole thing, of how the intent versus harassment and shit like that.
Speaker 1:So I mean these people all kind of fit in together the road to hell is paved with good intention.
Speaker 2:These guys don't even have good intentions.
Speaker 1:So you're going to hate the next quote even more.
Speaker 2:No, no, no.
Speaker 1:No, thank you.
Speaker 2:This podcast is over. Now let's go look at the cute animals.
Speaker 1:Women have been exchanging sex for opportunity for a very long time. Some did this weren't abused. If you put yourself in a position to be sexually harassed, you must bear some responsibility.
Speaker 2:This one just started off bad the first one. He started to go in the right direction and was like JK. This one just started off bad, like the first one. He started to go in the right direction and was like hey, hey, jk. And this one just didn't even make an attempt. That's why you're in jail.
Speaker 1:This one is just, oh my God. He had a YouTube video that has since been taken down that he took down.
Speaker 2:YouTube didn't take it down.
Speaker 1:I think this was I don't know that he took down. Youtube didn't take it down. I think this was I don't know if YouTube took it down. I'm thinking that he it said that he took it down.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:But for obvious reasons, once you hear the quote, it's easier to get off on rape charges in Eastern European countries. It is 40% of the reason I moved to Romania.
Speaker 2:What was the other 60% of large supply of young women that you can exploit and harass and rape?
Speaker 1:This was in 2022. So a year before all this shit came up, or actually the same year that all this shit came up, or actually the same year that all this shit came up, because the charges came out very end of 2022. And then he followed it up with. I'm not trying to say that I'm like that, I'm just trying to say that, Romania, you are free to do whatever you want.
Speaker 2:No, no, no. This smacks of no homo, but, and you know, as soon as somebody says that, they're about to say the most homophobic thing. I'm not racist, but yeah, yeah, racism is about to come out of your mouth and it's not going to be like racism where you're like, eh, you probably shouldn't say that. It's going to be like oh my god, why would you think that's okay to say? I said it's not Right.
Speaker 1:He ended off 2022 on a wonderful note of. He got arrested, thank you, and he was charged with human trafficking.
Speaker 2:He was charged with human trafficking.
Speaker 1:He had women who had their like OnlyFans and things like that, and he was abusing the living shit out of them and taking their money. He did it with his brother. He had other people involved. I'm not going to get too much into it because again it's just way too fucking gruesome, like as toxic as we are we are the toxic cooking this is.
Speaker 1:I mean, this is just flat out sickening. The shit that he did and even on the way that he got arrested, it was because he started off with telling a 19-year-old girl who is very much passionate about the environment and did a tweet of I have 32 cars with the emissions I can send you an email describing each one, and she replied back with sure email them to Small Dick Energy. But the fact that she said nothing about him, nothing to him. He just sitting at home scratching his balls and then decided to tweet this out to a 19-year-old.
Speaker 1:As you do as one does. I kind of want to go over how all these things kind of fit together. When I kind of say about like a toxic platform, is the fact that these people are still, to this day, being mentioned, they are being shared on social media by other influencers, other people, things like Andrew Tate, where he does say something about God and how you need to be very committed to God and committed to living a very Christian lifestyle.
Speaker 2:I mean the Catholic priests would agree with him on some things there.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no, oh, no, no, no, we're not going there, not going there, not going there. And here's the thing it's like, okay if you're very religious. And here's, the thing is like, okay if you're very, very religious. Those are beautiful things to say that you need to live a Christian lifestyle, you need to respect and love your God, and things like that Cool. More power to you about how women should be seen this way and treated this way and is running a human trafficking. You can't have both ways, and we talked about this with Gypsy Rose. You can't sit there and say I want to reinvent myself while thriving off of this person that you were, jordan Peterson. He gets shared all the time and he is just as you said in looking at the comments where people are like you know like he gets it, he knows what's. No, he just rambled on like a stupid ADHD rant and actually he just got his license revoked by the Canadian Psychology Board. Yeah, yeah, so he can no longer.
Speaker 1:But the thing is is that?
Speaker 1:Here's the other part of it all is that us, as humans, we end up having certain ideas and certain beliefs, and if something is not fitting into that belief, we tend to rewrite the narrative.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so if you have somebody like Jordan Peterson, or if you have somebody like Andrew Tate, who is saying these absolute horrible things, and you, as a Christian who does want to spread this message of living a lifestyle that is closer to God, then you should follow in the steps of Jesus to God, or that you should follow in the steps of Jesus. You're posting these things and you're rewriting the narrative of well, he said that thing about 40% of the reason why I wanted to live in Romania, and he even said that that he's not like that. It just meant that he could do whatever he wanted. So he felt that, uh, in England, that he was being held back for his religious views. So, therefore, he went to a country, and that's the thing is that, again, people will take what they hear and if it doesn't match what they're already thinking, they're going to rewrite that narrative.
Speaker 2:Oh 100%.
Speaker 1:Right and oh, no, no, no. He's talking about God and how we should follow the paths of Jesus. Therefore, he would never do something like what he was accused of.
Speaker 2:We have some neighbors near my parents who are very Christian, very, very Christian. Their kids go to a private Christian school. They are super religious, they make no bones about it and they voted for herschel walker. And do you know how? I know they voted because they had the sign up in their yard. It was not just like, oh, you know, you were talking to them and you found out about that, it was, you know, mentioned. Or like someone's like, oh, did you hear? No, they were very loud and proud we're voting for her, we have the sign for Hershel Walker in our yard, and all this stuff was coming out at the time. For those who are blissfully unaware, in Georgia there was a Senate seat that was up for election. The incumbent was a Democrat, which was a shock for georgia, and so, of course, the republicans came up with somebody and they put herschel walker, a former uga football player. Did he play professionally? He?
Speaker 1:actually uh played for the eagles. Unfortunately, my hometown of philly whoopsies.
Speaker 2:You know that's. That's what he did. And then he became I don't know what a businessman I don't even know if that's part of his narrative or not anyway, football player. Everyone knows that. He was a football player in georgia and that's why they love him and trump started supporting him and everyone was like whoa herschel walker and this poor man had no fucking idea what he was doing like, what he stood for anything, and that in and of itself, is not a reason to hate on him.
Speaker 2:But there were issues that came up, such as he had multiple children with women, with different women. There are allegations that he pressured somebody to have an abortion and paid for it. Somebody to have an abortion and paid for it. And this was the man who was running for a Republican Senate seat saying no abortion, abortion is bad, like I'm a good Christian man. But there are these pretty serious allegations out there and these people just sat there and they're like, oh, yeah, we're still going to vote for him. Did you not see this story? And yeah, they would just come up.
Speaker 2:I'm sure if I had ever you know, asked, asked them about it, there would have been some excuse of well, we don't know. You know that that card that she showed of him like basically being like soz, you had to abort the baby. Here's some money that could have been faked or there would always have been an excuse just completely head in the sand. Like no, we have to vote for him because he's the republican candidate. Like we can't let democrats win. This man is literally everything that you're against technically. Like if your kids did this, heathens, if I came to you and I was like I had the abortion yesterday because I felt like it, you would burn the house down and and again.
Speaker 1:It's that narrative. Jordan Peterson he's a psychologist. We tend to look up to psychologists and we tend to respect them because they are people that are compassionate and willing to help. And when jordan peterson says these off the wall statements that too much compassion is horrible, that that again rewriting the narrative. Well, no, no, he's. He's still saying that, like you know, like we should be compassionate about our, our baby and our children, but you know we shouldn't be giving money to universal health care. We shouldn't be. Oh well, we should be compassionate about people, but we can't lower our expectations.
Speaker 1:For the standard of beauty is and it's like, no, nobody's telling you to rewrite yours, we're just. Here's a woman who is not the stereotypical paper-thin model and saying that like, yeah, beauty does come in all sizes, which is a beautiful like hardly I will ever say this about. Like Sports Illustrated, but it was a fucking beautiful thing. Like sports illustrated, but it was a fucking beautiful thing. There are millions of guys and millions of women who are millions of guys, who put this paper thin, you know, expectation on other women. And there are millions of women who are not paper thin, who feel shameful. Finally there is somebody that they can say like you know, like shit, like no, I, I don't have to be ashamed of my body until you have this fucking dipshit that is tweeting about a sports illustrated cover of all things.
Speaker 2:As a psychologist, because that's the biggest problem we have in the world right now.
Speaker 1:Right that, right there. You know her being on Sports Illustrated is causing millions of mental health problems.
Speaker 2:People choosing their pronouns Big, big issue in the world I can tell you right now.
Speaker 1:It's rewriting the narrative and it becomes unhealthy because here's, here's the. The flip side to it is that the people who are sharing andrew tate and people who are sharing jordan peterson, the people who are watching gypsy rose yeah, they might mix in like some good things here, but you're also picking up that, those shitty things as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that is the real danger, because you go to somebody like Jordan Peterson and you're attracted by one of the ideas and maybe you never really had a problem with trans people before but then you see nasty comments, like that of attacking somebody who said these are my pronouns, this is what I want to go by. And Peterson comes along and is like no, I'm going to use your old ones, I'm going to do this, and that just reinforces in your brains like this is an okay thing to do, because somebody I look up to, somebody I follow, did it. And monkey see, monkey do. And you said this and you got like a lot of interest on the internet. Then suddenly people are commenting you skyrocket to fame, more likely than if you're just being a nice person. And yeah, it just reinforces that. And now it's stuck in your head. It's like I can do this too. You said nasty things, I can say nasty things.
Speaker 1:Cause I mean like how many times have you heard like a new band or how many times have you watched a movie and saw like a cool celebrity that you started going down the rabbit hole, especially having adhd you? Know, ah, hyper focus at his finest oh yeah, it's 2 am.
Speaker 2:You're like just one more Wikipedia page.
Speaker 1:And that's the thing. Is that okay? So he says these nice things about following God, and Jordan Peterson does speak of suicide awareness and he does speak of some of the normal things that most psychologists will talk about.
Speaker 1:and then you know, you go down the rabbit hole and two o'clock in the morning and all of a sudden trans people are evil and women are asking for harassment and it's just like holy fuck, like the fact that we are putting these people on platforms and we're giving them a stage to speak on, and that's kind of the thing is that we we can't, as a society, just overlook certain things and try to rewrite the narrative. If it walks like a, if it walks like a duck, if it talks like a duck, it's a fucking duck.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I see this with a lot of other people to a smaller extent, where you'll have someone who's problematic and we've all been there, right, there's an actor or a comedian that you really used to like, and then something comes out a problem about them, and you can sometimes find something. But I like that person. Like you know, I like Pirates of the Caribbean, right, but at a certain point you have to agree that Johnny Depp is problematic, like something is going on there. That man is not completely innocent. There's some fucked up shit that is happening and it can be hard to separate the two. You don't want to. You want to be able to read harry potter. That was our childhood. We all loved harry potter. The camp I used to work at we had harry potter week, you know it was. It was great. But then you look at the, the shit that jk rowling says about literally everyone. Like no one is safe from that woman's hate and it's like, uh, you can't always necessarily separate the art from the artist.
Speaker 1:Sometimes you just have it's like no, no, it's, you're the same yeah, yeah and, and you know, harry potter is it's kind of tricky because I mean harry potter came out first and and she did sound more with it at first yeah, there's brief moments, be like dumbledore is gay and like stuff like that, and you're like, wow, and then she came out as a fucking turf.
Speaker 2:You're like, uh, and, and since then it's like the filter has come off and she just seems intent on like digging herself deeper into that hole. Every time she opens her mouth or gets on twitter it's like, yeah, you know, would I let my kids read harry Potter, read a copy that I already had? Yes, but at this point would I feel comfortable if I had kids? And they're like Harry Potter world? No, no, we don't need to give more money to gross people like that.
Speaker 1:Right, right, and that's the other big thing is that when people are hearing about these other people Andrew Tate, he's been on podcasts, he's been on bbc's news some of it is just trying to understand what, why he says the things that he does. Some of it is to get that message of following Jesus and things like that. But either which way, you're giving him money.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Jordan Peterson when he does these speeches, you're giving him money. Gypsy Rose when, when she has 14 million followers and 9 million followers on Instagram, she is getting money.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I wish people would like make those connections a little better. Sometimes, like I make a concerted effort to. When there are people that I like to hate on politicians, you know, other celebrities, whatever I very consciously do not consume news about them. I very consciously do not talk about them Not that I'm exactly very active on social media, posting things, but I make sure I don't go out of my way to do that because that's just giving them more of a platform. The more you talk about them, the more power you give them. The best thing you can do is just ignore them, but unfortunately social media is not built for that ignore them.
Speaker 1:But unfortunately, like social media, is not built for, that uh, so so after everything we just talked about, where would you put this on our scale of toxicity? Would you say that this is a green potato, where it is going to make you sick but not cause much harm? Would you put this as a death cap mushroom, where you have a 50-50 survival rate? Or would you put this in as a antifreeze, where it is a delightful last meal?
Speaker 2:We're edging into antifreeze territory. I think I think these platforms in general, social media in general, can get nasty so quickly, like it does not take much before you are down that rabbit hole. And it's not even the ADHD like, la, la, la, like I'm consciously like choosing what I look for next. For instance, I was helping my mom with a project at one point and I was looking some stuff up on Instagram and because I was looking for a specific type of video or post and I was sending them to her, literally within days my Instagram feed was filled with this stuff. Feed was filled with this stuff because Instagram had picked up you want to see this here's more. It did not take much and sometimes it was even just. I stopped sending her stuff, but it's still showing because it's like well, you watch this here's more. And so you can very easily, without realizing it, you watch that one Andrew Tate video and now more stuff. It may not be more Andrew Tate, but it's people like him. They're now coming into your feet. You may have just watched him for the God part of things. You may have just watched Gypsy Rose because you were curious.
Speaker 2:It happens I'm not going to lie there. Sometimes we're like I've got to know what's going on. Don't mind me over here Searching on Google incognito mode so it doesn't mess things up. But yeah, we all go through that. It's just you really have to be so careful how much you're consuming, how you're consuming it, where, because, without meaning to, you end up in some really dark places of the internet. Then all of a sudden, you're just being bombarded by these ideas of, like trans people don't deserve to exist. Women existing is harassment, like. And if you're like many things we've talked about, if you're in not a good place, if you're already feeling hurt, like why don't women like me? And then you stumble across these videos, you feel seen and you're like that's right, that's right. So, yeah, it's. I feel like we're. Oh no, the lime jello has been splashed with antifreeze. I don't know how much antifreeze takes to kill you. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I definitely agree. I think that, just as you said that the algorithm, if you're starting to look at videos of Andrew Tate because you agree with the Jesus and God message and everything like that algorithm doesn't know the difference between Andrew Tate because you agree with the Jesus and God message and everything like that Algorithm doesn't know the difference between Andrew Tate, god and Andrew Tate being the fucking monster that he truly is. So you might run into a couple of episodes of him saying these bullshit things and start buying that. So if you're having millions of people following, like Gypsy Rose, or if you're having Jordan Peterson, and all of them have millions of followers, you're putting that into your mind. And, yeah, if you're already starting to believe something or if you are on the fence about something, and all of a sudden you look at one Andrew Tate video and now you're seeing, like all these other influencers who are Andrew Tate wannabes, that algorithm fills up pretty quickly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and if it's somebody that you were kind of looking up to, like you thought Andrew Tate was cool because he used to be an MMA fighter Look, he's got all the girls like he's doing these things Then you are even more likely to ignore the warning signs and ignore, like, the really bad parts. And with Andrew Tate it's really obvious. But somebody like Gypsy Rose, I could see where somebody would be inspired by her story that you know she went through all of this and you know here she's come out and she's reinventing herself, and I'm invested in it just for that, because I think that that's, you know, really cool and good for her. Shitty things happened. Who knows what she's going to use that platform for, though. Well, now she's not going to use it. Thank God for that parole officer.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, I mean, the thing that stops me from saying absolute antifreeze is that it ultimately comes down to the person watching it. And I mean, if the person does see the directions that things are going into, they are able to say like, no, this is just not where I want to be with. This person ultimately does come down to the person not rewriting the narrative and just seeing things for what they are. But I mean, it's definitely hard, and it's really hard when you have all this shoved into your face.
Speaker 2:So I I agree, I think it's maybe not the full antifreeze, but there's definitely antifreeze as yeah, it's more than death cap mushroom, because that again 50 50 chance and you've got like a 75, 80% chance it's. It can get really nasty.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And really quickly too, especially for people who have been around for a long way. I see this a lot where you have somebody who started making videos and they seem normal and fine and cool and you're like, wow, I love watching your videos because you're renovating your house in Kentucky and you know it's an old farmhouse and you're super into the history and you get involved that way. And then when they come out of left field with something like I hate gay people, you're like, oh, oh, no, but maybe that was just a one-time thing. No, you're like oh, oh, oh, no, but maybe that was just a one-time thing. No, no, it was not a one-time thing. If we're going on rants against gay people, that means we have these thoughts and that serious, or is this clearly a belief that you hold? That is super toxic and I'm going to continue to give you a platform to spew that hate to people. Do I really need to watch your farmhouse restoration videos? The answer is no, I don't so tell us what you think.
Speaker 1:Uh, you can write to us on toxic at awesome life skillscom, and we look forward to seeing you all next week and have a wonderful day. Bye, thank you.